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[ScareCrowAKA]

Anyone know anything about this thing... looks like a way to move funds to/from intertops, cake, carbon, netteller, etc...

Safe Online Shopping | Where To Spend | Ukash - Ukash

edit... nevermind, not open to us players, I guess... didnt say that on the intetops link, just have to go to the site and figure that out for yourself I guess, douche bags

why would someone outside the us use this when they can just use their F'ing bank account?

[ScareCrowAKA]

this is the BS I have to deal with now...

Master Shopping Card
Master Shopping Card
The discrete MasterCard Shopping Card (MSC) is a prepaid MasterCard debit card which can be used anywhere where MasterCard is accepted.

You can use the MasterCard Shopping Card:
o at any MasterCard-enabled POS location worldwide.
o to shop online (any goods or services) where MasterCard is accepted.

You may purchase goods in EUR, USD or any other currency. The Card is issued in EUR and the MasterCard currency conversion will be applied when applicable.

Please note: The MasterCard Shopping Card does NOT come with a PIN code for PIN-based purchases. As a result, the MasterCard Shopping Card cannot be used to withdraw cash from an ATM.

The card is issued by a European bank and may be used to spend your winnings discretely.



Each MasterCard Shopping Card is issued in EUR currency and has a fixed preloaded amount of €100. The shipment fee is USD 20 (for a max number of seven Cards) and the card-issuing fee per card is USD 5. (e.g: if you request 3 cards, your balance must be higher than 100 x 3 (EUR/USD rate)+$20+$15).

If you would like to have a payout using the MSC, please send an email to payments@intertops.eu and let us know how many cards (each preloaded with €100) you would like to receive. Please note that your account balance must cover the withdrawal amount plus the fees.

We will ship the MSC to your postal address under which you have registered your Intertops account via Fedex within 7 working days. Please make sure that your registered postal address is up-to-date.

920$ withdraw between 7 cards ... 55$ in fees, just to withdraw ... if you figure in the juice, u pay 16% for every 920$ ... checks are free right now, but they bounce.

16% is federal f'ing income taxes if u make under 35k a yr

[NDN]

I'm having my own issues with Intertops at the moment, so I too am not pleased with them.

You can try Bovada if you're looking for an alternative. I've experienced near instant withdrawals via MyPayLinQ, but there are some hoops to jump through initially to get started.

I should add that I've heard reports of slow payments from Bovada, but haven't really looked into it because I haven't had a chance to play much lately.

[klinkman]

The biggest problem with Bovada is their switch to completely anonymous tables. In addition to KyleB proving they aren't implemented properly, anonymous tables take away a huge aspect of the game IMO.

[NDN]

The biggest problem with Bovada is their switch to completely anonymous tables. In addition to KyleB proving they aren't implemented properly, anonymous tables take away a huge aspect of the game IMO.

I'm actually a big fan of the anonymous tables.

I've never been serious enough about online poker to attempt to play on a deep enough level where I could use a person's identity to my advantage.

I have no idea who KyleB is and I haven't heard anything about the anonymous tables not being implemented properly, but then again I haven't spent an ounce of energy reading anything about Bovada lately.

[ScareCrowAKA]

... some people would say that playing behind a computer screen takes away from the game, i wouldnt mind annymonus tables. I would actually perfer it, fight all the douche bags using poker tracker

[NDN]

... some people would say that playing behind a computer screen takes away from the game, i wouldnt mind annymonus tables. I would actually perfer it, fight all the douche bags using poker tracker

Sounds like it's time for you to try Bovada then.

[ScareCrowAKA]

I just deposited 50 on carbon, havnt deposited in forever ... ran it up to 185... so far, liking it way more than intertops, its further upping my suspicion that intertops is rigged to shlt, cuz what Im playing now, is like a live game.

[ScareCrowAKA]

opps no, wait a minute ... its rigged

kk, 15 in the pot preflop, raise to 35, ace on the flop

top pair, turns a boat... (poket 2s)

flop trips, turns a boat, again... (poket 6s)

down from 200 t0 50 now

now it gives me suited connectors and big face cards, never letting me hit a pair on any flop, just enough to shove for flush and openended stright draws, which i didnt do, but did check down a few and the draws never came... 2 of which players flopped aces and hit 2 pair on the river ... conclusion

-- rigged

all this is a span of like 15-20 hands

[NDN]

opps no, wait a minute ... its rigged

kk, 15 in the pot preflop, raise to 35, ace on the flop

top pair, turns a boat... (poket 2s)

flop trips, turns a boat, again... (poket 6s)

down from 200 t0 50 now

now it gives me suited connectors and big face cards, never letting me hit a pair on any flop, just enough to shove for flush and openended stright draws, which i didnt do, but did check down a few and the draws never came... 2 of which players flopped aces and hit 2 pair on the river ... conclusion

-- rigged

all this is a span of like 15-20 hands

You're not doing your credibility any favors with these kinds of posts...

There isn't a "magic site" out there that you're going to stumble upon and suddenly start winning more than any other poker room. They're all the same, everyone has the same advantage as everyone else, and you're going to encounter the same situations at every online poker room.

Hell, if you played online poker like you do offline, you'd encounter most of those situations in your live games too.

Perhaps stick to your guns when you said this:


Im gonna stick to live, sport gambling, penny stocks... I cant play that, poker is meant to be played vs opponents, I dont want to play against a software program.

[ScareCrowAKA]

Hahahahahaha I dont care about cred. lol ... half these posts are jokes ... that was pretty f'ed up though. lol

[ScareCrowAKA]

and Im pretty sure NBA is rigged to since the knicks didnt cover :)

[NDN]

Stick to tournaments and go for the big cash instead of trying to grind it out in the "rigged" cash games. :D

[klinkman]

Bodog Account Security Vulnerability: PartyCrasher Exploit Part 2 | HHSmithy.com

Bodog claims to have fixed the problem quickly (within a day of kyleB going public)

Volunteer Hackers Help Bodog Poker Make Security More Robust

[NDN]

Bodog Account Security Vulnerability: PartyCrasher Exploit Part 2 | HHSmithy.com

Bodog claims to have fixed the problem quickly (within a day of kyleB going public)

Volunteer Hackers Help Bodog Poker Make Security More Robust

That was interesting, but I don't see how any of that information would put me at risk as a player and I am still a huge fan of their anonymous tables!

[ScareCrowAKA]

Jesus, thats horrible, exposing everyones ID, allowing unlimited log in attempts on multiple accounts...

------ u could just gather a bunch of IDs and spend months just randomly guessing passwords until u hit one...

and the poker is linked to the sportsbook, if i hit a good one, I could have access to thousands of someone elses $, dump everything to my account via the poker room and withdraw.

... thats why I hope for US government regulation... w a gaming comission whos job it is to do nothing but chk this stuf, not just random guys on youtube. wtf?

who is the fake worthless figurehead gaming commision Bodog uses? kankakee, Isle of Man. ??? I use to think it was hillarious that people on the FTP boards would site these things as end all proof of integrity.

[NDN]

Jesus, thats horrible, exposing everyones ID, allowing unlimited log in attempts on multiple accounts...

------ u could just gather a bunch of IDs and spend months just randomly guessing passwords until u hit one...

and the poker is linked to the sportsbook, if i hit a good one, I could have access to thousands of someone elses $, dump everything to my account via the poker room and withdraw.

... thats why I hope for US government regulation... w a gaming comission whos job it is to do nothing but chk this stuf, not just random guys on youtube. wtf?

who is the fake worthless figurehead gaming commision Bodog uses? kankakee, Isle of Man. ??? I use to think it was hillarious that people on the FTP boards would site these things as end all proof of integrity.

I think you're being way too dramatic. An extremely small percentage of people would be capable of doing what these guys did (which has since been corrected) and an even smaller percentage of those people would be able to come up with the passwords needed to access accounts.

Not to mention that poker rooms have other safeguards in place to spot intrusion and protect their players.

If you still somehow managed to get past all of that, they would be able to detect you dumping and subsequently requesting a withdrawal (ask any of us who have "dumped" in the past because P2P transfers weren't possible only to have our accounts locked immediately after).

But lets pretend that none of the safeguards worked as they are supposed to and someone managed to get through all of them.

Bovada/Bodog is more than capable of reimbursing you and they would do so immediately in a situation like this.

But wait, what if they didn't? Then you contact myself or Judy and we'll help you get things resolved?

What if we can't do anything? Well, there's plenty more resources that we would then use to get things resolved.

What I'm saying is that you're more than covered should you encounter a problem at any reputable online establishment.

[klinkman]

I think you're being way too dramatic. An extremely small percentage of people would be capable of doing what these guys did (which has since been corrected) and an even smaller percentage of those people would be able to come up with the passwords needed to access accounts.

Not to mention that poker rooms have other safeguards in place to spot intrusion and protect their players.

If you still somehow managed to get past all of that, they would be able to detect you dumping and subsequently requesting a withdrawal (ask any of us who have "dumped" in the past because P2P transfers weren't possible only to have our accounts locked immediately after).

But lets pretend that none of the safeguards worked as they are supposed to and someone managed to get through all of them.

Bovada/Bodog is more than capable of reimbursing you and they would do so immediately in a situation like this.

But wait, what if they didn't? Then you contact myself or Judy and we'll help you get things resolved?

What if we can't do anything? Well, there's plenty more resources that we would then use to get things resolved.

What I'm saying is that you're more than covered should you encounter a problem at any reputable online establishment.

I'd wager that the percentage of people capable of doing what they did and capable of exploiting it is exactly the same-anyone with the capability to create that kind of program will have no problem, for example, orchestrating a dictionary attack in the manner demonstrated in the video.

Obvious chip dumps are obvious, but more sophisticated dumps are completely possible and require a trained security staff to detect-something I would not be comfortable trusting the same security team the violated the first rule of client-server security.

You are completely correct that bovada would be able to reimburse you for your losses, and that you and Judy are in a position to help us accomplish that goal.

But you miss one of the other big reasons why this security flaw could be bad. We all know I use tracking software to improve my play, track my opponents play and display statistics regarding their play in order to aid my decision making process at the table. Many opponents don't like this, and choose to play at anonymous tables in order to avoid it. But if the process to create that anonymity is broken, and I am able to gather the same data and use it in the same way as I did at non-anonymous tables, I now have a truly unfair advantage over my opponent-as I appear anonymous to him but he does not to me, as he cannot purchase the same software that I have in order to level the playing field. And he's duped into a false sense of security because he believes that he is just as anonymous to his opponent as his opponent is to him.

Of course, that is all predicated on there being a security flaw that exposes actual player ID's. From what I can tell the original flaw has been fixed. As an IT professional, I believe the risk is low that one exists so long as bovada follows the rules of client-server security. But they've failed to do that in the past.

[NDN]

Obvious chip dumps are obvious, but more sophisticated dumps are completely possible and require a trained security staff to detect-something I would not be comfortable trusting the same security team the violated the first rule of client-server security.


I have never seen an issue where unauthorized access to a poker account resulted in the permanent loss of money for the victimized player.



But you miss one of the other big reasons why this security flaw could be bad. We all know I use tracking software to improve my play, track my opponents play and display statistics regarding their play in order to aid my decision making process at the table. Many opponents don't like this, and choose to play at anonymous tables in order to avoid it. But if the process to create that anonymity is broken, and I am able to gather the same data and use it in the same way as I did at non-anonymous tables, I now have a truly unfair advantage over my opponent-as I appear anonymous to him but he does not to me, as he cannot purchase the same software that I have in order to level the playing field. And he's duped into a false sense of security because he believes that he is just as anonymous to his opponent as his opponent is to him.


Based on the article and accompanying video that you had posted, I still see zero cause for concern.

Wouldn't a person need to manually check each table to locate a "known" player and/or develop a program that would do that for them? If they have those kinds of capabilities, surely there are more lucrative ways in which to use their talents. And wouldn't they still have to be an extremely skilled poker player to even attempt to locate you and then subsequently win money from you at a poker table?

Not to mention, why would anyone go through all of the trouble when they can play at several online poker rooms that do not have anonymous tables?

Quite frankly, if Bodog/Bovada advertised their games as "somewhat anonymous except to those with advanced computer skills who use their talents to identify you and suck you dry" or something like that, I would still play there without hesitation.

[klinkman]

You are correct, someone with the capability to develop such a program would likely have more lucrative ways to use that talent. But selling such a program might just be that lucrative. Poker Edge HUD proves to me that there is a market for programs that circumvent a site's Terms and Conditions and give an unfair advantage to players willing to break them

For those who aren't familiar, Poker Edge is a program that screen scrapes as you play to get hand data, then uploads it to a shared database of all hands played by all users of the program, then downloads statistics on the players at your table based on the entire shared database of hands. This type of data mining is prohibited by every site's ToS, but as it is one of the only ways to use a HUD on Cake Poker, many of the grinders break the terms in order to use it.

Cake does now allow HUDs to be used on a per table basis, I have no idea what impact this has on the use of Poker Edge at cake.

[NDN]

I just don't see the evidence that a single player at Bovoda/Bodog has an unfair advantage over any other player.