eejit, ndn ... others?

[ScareCrowAKA]

I posted this in another forum w people arguing about beating live 1/2 rake ... what do u think?


you only actually pay Rake in pots u win...

if u play 5 40$ pots heads up SB v BB a hour and win 3 ... u win 120$ - 60$ that was your own money - 15$ rake = 45$ a hour - the 40$ you lose from the 2 lost pots = +5$ a hour + the 1$ a hour in comps = 6$ a hour

As long as you win the same amount as you lose in hands that dont go to showdown, and win more showdowns than u lose... u finish up 6$ a hr

and this is extreme, it doesnt take into consideration money put into the pot by blinds that fold, 3-4-5-6 way pots etc... where your invested amount would be less than half the pot

seems to me that beating the game for ATLEAST 6$ a hr is not unreasonable at all

... since the money won is mostly tax free (if u dont claim it) thats the same standard of living as someone who make 15k a yr, and in my opinion this would be a better than avergae decent player, not a good player with some luck on their side

... Around here its a 4$ cap on rake, so take the 6$ a hr total to 9$ a hr, thats equivalent to someone who grosses 22k a yr ... and again this being in my opinion a decent better than average player, not a really good player w a small amount of luck on their side

in order to match the standard of living as someone making the top of the 15% tax bracket, you would need to average 13-14$ a hr

all this is assuming you play 40hrs a wk

anyone see anything wrong with this BreakDown ???

[eejit101]

That makes sense.

But are you taking in to account hands not to showdown, preflop wins, chopped hands where one player loses, max cap pots.

Over here we have 5% rake up to £10 max. or 10% rake up to £5. we get a choice.

[ScareCrowAKA]

No, the 6-9$ numbers were just assuming u break even on all hands u get involved in that dont go to showdown

thats why I consider the 6-9$ average a decent better than average player.

A good player that can do this and go on a heater could maul this number I think

[eejit101]

Ok, taking my last 40 hours in to account.

Im up a total of £1,900 after rake.

Rake on all those hands was 5% to £10 max. This is playing £1/£2.

And i wasnt on a heater, but this is a short time period.

[ScareCrowAKA]

ya, they were talking about like making a living only playing 1/2, u always get people who say they make 30-50k a yr playing 1/2 NLHE, etc...

and people saying the rake isnt beatable on a long term basis...

I dont know, after thinking through it like I did, I could see someone in a big city like LA or NY averaging a 20-30K standard of living, and having big years where maybe they could make 50k+

if online was real and not rigged, I could really see it

I know its beatable short term, all gambling is, even roulette, the best i ever did in a wk was have 3 10-14hr sessions where I was up 2k